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Title: note on using EM-ADT Post by Admin on 12/16/08 at 23:21:29 reminder: CAREFULLY READ THE EM-ADT instructions *before* using the tool. Many features (F5 folder & pointer scan, Orphan search, etc.) are designed to be safe to play with. the "DEEP AND DESTRUCTIVE" test, is, well, called "DESTRUCTIVE" for a reason. it is trying to stress out your file. DON'T DO THAT TO YOUR ACTUAL FILES!!! [smiley=nono.gif] MAKE A COPY TO TEST WITH DEEP AND DESTRUCTIVE. and with shared files--- safest to DISCONNECT THE COPY FROM THE MASTER FILE!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] (Note, very much UNLIKE the "DEEP AND DESTRUCTIVE" testing, the EM Memory Reporter, is 100% file SAFE.. does not change *anything* in your file structure.) final note: on 'new' 'unused' files, it is hard to properly 'stress' the pointers enough to 'break' the file in a way that can be confirmed. normally this is not an issue. in rare instance there can be a *tiny* pointer corruption (so far only seen in special case caused by particular LUA rule manipulation in conjuction with auto orphan detect) in a 'new' file that won't be detected by just single pass Deep & destructive. ie. either you'll need to use that file a while, or need to run the D&D twice to have the tool pick up on the corruption. so... to sum up: 1) Ecco files are VERY safe and stable. 2) the default template shipped with v4.01 (and maybe prior) has an internal pointer corruption, FIXED in new files by using the updated default template. NOTE: Ecco is so stable that THOUSANDS of internally corrupted files have been used for years with no data loss. 3) The EM-ADT will reveal (on single test) corruption on any file that has been used even minimally to enter and modify data. If you have a new-new file it is safe (unless something odd has happened, such as something strange with external tool or extension etc.). if you create a 'fresh' template file and want to test it, TEST ON A COPY and run the deep & destructive twice in sequence. please, after doing D&D test, EXIT ECCO!! and restart. please do NOT TEST D&D on your live files, only do D&D on copies. (orphan test, F5, etc. is designed for LIVE files, just the "DEEP AND **DESTRUCTIVE**) is not. EM-ADT instructions warn of this, explaining NOT to test on live file, and that you will not be happy with result if you do D&D on live files. [edit]For those new to ecco, this is what is going on here: Ecco was shipped with a 'defective' default template file. Since many used that default template to start *all* of their own .eco files, that defect was carried on like a virus into (for some people) *every* ecco file they use. Since Ecco is so robust and SAFE, even though the files were corrupted, no one knew-- there was no problem or data loss that anyone could see. Then the years passed... and for myself and many other heavy users, there started to be strange and unexplained problems, crashes, memory errors, etc. The variety of problems is wide from error messages, to duplicate folders, to phantom items, to notepads that could never be deleted {had this one myself}. We now have a cure-- the EM-ADT. But, since the defect is a deep pointer issue within ecco, a generalized tool to detect is very difficult. The solution is to stress the file and try to break it. If it can be broken under great stress, there is a pointer corruption. Thus, use the D&D testing only on a copy of your file, so that you can FIX your original file before it 'breaks'. Ie. the testing tries to break the file... if it succeeds the defect is revealed. Which is good, unless it is revealed on your live file! (since you'll have data loss!)[/edit] |
Title: Re: note on using EM-ADT Post by chastate on 04/04/09 at 16:58:34 JEEZUS, your forum must be 100% spam-proof. It took me fully 30 minutes to manage to validate my membership and then figure out how to post! OK, so I'm finally here. I have a question about EM-ADT: The only description of the tool that I have found so far says that it is guaranteed to "diagnose", but I did not see if it is guaranteed to repair. The Ecco file I am trying to repair suddenly became inaccessible. I am not sure if that is due to some sort of hard drive corruption or a corruption of the file caused by Ecco. Does the tool have a chance of repairing a file that could have chunks missing due to a hard drive problem? Obviously, the tool will not restore data that is not there, but can it take a drive-corrupted file and potentially rebuild enough of the file structure? If I click the file on the drive, I get a dialog box titled "Please Note ...", that says, "Can't read file, cause unkown." I then used a data recovery application, R-Studio, and "recovered" the file. If I now run that "recovered" file, I get the Ecco error dialog box telling me, "Ecco's data consistency check has discovered a disk error ...." Selecting the "Proceed" option, I then get a dialog box saying, "Unable to complete command, low memory condition detected." Do you think I have any chance with the EM-ADT tool? Thank you. Charles -- long-time Ecco user |
Title: Re: note on using EM-ADT Post by Admin on 04/04/09 at 23:41:18 chastate wrote:
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repair-ability depends upon how early the corruption is detected (hence the importance & value of the tool). Quote:
nope. Quote:
no, I could try to do that manually for you. immediately use drivesnapshot (www.drivesnapshot.de/en/ ) & clone empty parts of disk as well. likely is too late, but maybe not. fee trial for the snapshot tool. Once you begin backup (to another drive such as external usb) you can use machine freely (basically). Quote:
nope. Quote:
is it possible you have a .bkX backup file ? the EM-ADT tool won't usually help with hard disk corruption. you can dump to hex editor (or null complaint text editor such as SCITE, etc.). having no backup of your files is, well, not such a great idea. ecco allows serial .bk files as well as a daily backup on another directory or even network share. |
Title: Re: corrupted file Post by chastate on 04/05/09 at 01:32:31 Thank you. BTW, I wasn't really complaining about your anti-spam blockades -- even though I felt a little like an extra in the Da Vinci Code. You are of course correct about backups. The damaged file is actually my sister's, and I guess whoever installed Ecco did not turn on backups. I was just about to put her on Mozy when this problem was discovered. Please let me know about the possibility you mentioned of manual reconstruction. I appreciate your help. Thanks. Charles |
Title: Re: note on using EM-ADT Post by Admin on 04/05/09 at 02:32:19 if is important/critical file, run the drivesnapshot. there is somewhat reasonable chance (depending on what's happened since) that good copy of file exists in disk image. are you *sure* no backups ? ... Charles, you can upload copy of the file and I will look at to see possibilities. upload to: ftp://eccomagic.com/private |
Title: Re: note on using EM-ADT Post by chastate on 04/05/09 at 23:23:39 Hi. Thanks. I did make a snapshot, and would like to upload to you the file, as suggested. I tried uploading to the specified FTP site, with no success. I tried with no login and by logging in anonymously, and by using my Eccomagic forum login and password. None of those allowed me to upload. Please advise. Thanks a lot. Charles |
Title: Re: note on using EM-ADT Post by chastate on 04/06/09 at 00:01:40 OK, turns out the problem is that the file is corrupted (which we already knew) and could not be uploaded to your ftp site for that reason. I successfully uploaded a test file, which you can ignore -- I don't think I can delete it. Since the .eco file is corrupted, transfer of that is not being allowed. I did use R-Studio to "recover" the corrupted file, and that made it readable enough to transfer, so that is the version I uploade to you. If it would be better to "recover" the corrupted file with a different tool and upload the result of that to you instead, please advise. Thank you. Charles |
Title: Re: note on using EM-ADT Post by Admin on 04/09/09 at 20:16:55 ok, 1. file is very corrupted. 2. info from the file is easily recoverable as misc. text file. You can see with editor such as SCITe (freeware). (if necessary I can convert to .doc or other format and send to you. 3. Do not know what % chance, as do not know full 'corruption' of disk issue, but if not waste of money (?) would run spinrite on the disk (may take long time) and *then* make *A SECOND* full disk snapshot. *then* try again to copy the original .eco NOTE: if the R-Studio COPIED the original .eco seems ok, if OVERWROTE the original.eco with 'recovered' version, likely will have to RESTORE the first drive image *before* running spinrite. (spinrite 'fixes' hardware issues, so once 'fixed' too late to try to restore from drive image.) this only applies/is relevant if R-Studio did more than just create a *copy* of the original .eco. (depends on how you used the R-Studio tool). hope clear to helpful |
Title: Re: note on using EM-ADT Post by chastate on 04/24/09 at 12:55:15 Hi, Mr. Ecco -- Thank you so much for helping, though the file (original, unaltered) on the hard drive was not recovered by SpinRite, which in this case actually made it worse. I wonder if you can help a tiny bit more, by telling me what I should expect to see in a .txt file. I have viewed the file that way, but I have been unable to discover much order to the information therein. For instance, I might see the name of a contact, but no phone number or address, or vice-versa. (I am guessing this is due to the matrix in which Ecco stores the data, and I am probably seeing a group of data from the Name column, then the Street column, then the City column, or such.) Is there any way to view the data in a more coherent fashion, or is that another fanciful dream on my part? Thank you very much! Charles |
Title: Re: note on using EM-ADT Post by Admin on 04/25/09 at 15:49:23 chastate wrote:
worse ? in what way ? ps: you've got an image so can always restore back from your image. Quote:
as am understanding your situation, you've got a corrupted file caused by disk corruption. after using spinrite, you still can't open the file in ecco. there is likely a systematic way to pick out the data blocks, but beyond my knowledge set. you've got no backups of the .eco file, you had .bk? ecco backups turned off ? you had alternate directory daily backups off ? unless is worth a few thousand to reconstruct data, hunt and pick in .txt type output is likely where you're at. which isn't horrible considering the entire file could have just as easily been lost in disk failure. ps: it's likely way to late for that... but using the windows built in (NOT HARDWARE, just sector/index) fix may bring some luck. |
Title: Re: note on using EM-ADT Post by chastate on 04/26/09 at 03:07:54 Well, the drive is from my sister's system, and either I (or hopefully someone else who subsequently re-installed Ecco) neglected to turn on the backup option. SpinRite actually seemed to make the file worse, so it's probably too late to run anything else on it, but I will probably try. Thankfully, she doesn't seem very cut up over losing her Ecco file, so I'm not either. And it should be a backup lesson for both of us. Thank you for all of your help -- I really appreciate it. Chas |
Title: Re: note on using EM-ADT Post by Admin on 04/26/09 at 11:48:53 1. is it possible there is a backup somewhere that you've not noticed ? 2. upload the new 'worse' post spin-rite file. (assuming you did sprinrite full recovery option). maybe what seems 'worse' to you.... might be something fixable ? (not so hopeful, but will look at file if you upload). (also, did you try to 'recover' the file after spinrite fix ?) |
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